I do not see the need to 'politicize' this tribe. There are places for this discussion. I am not 'for or against' Bush, only for the seeing of the ignorance that perpetuates arrogance and separation...we are all responsible for this world's plight and warring, to 'demonize' one is to separate Self and to perpetuate the warring. I am not saying the political situation should be ignored or is 'all good' and 'right', just that to try to come to a resolution through the system that is perpetuating the dysfunction will not help. It has the potential for keeping the illusion of 'our government looking out for us' going, of focusing in on a few people and not opening to the full picture of complicity and interconnectedness of all of us that is the greater potential of 'healing'.
What will be resolved if Bush is impeached? There will be a 'villian' captured and made to 'pay'? An example made of 'an-other', to keep the rest inline? If the impeachment process was one of open consideration and acknowledgment of complicity by all, then perhaps it could serve, but this is not the case. There is a lot more to this discussion, but I primarily want to support the discussion that resolves this all in the Heart...and from this can respond to the world situation with compassion and attention to peace...not vilifying and warring on 'others'.
www.youtube.com/watch
PeaceSalaamShalOmShanti....
What will be resolved if Bush is impeached? There will be a 'villian' captured and made to 'pay'? An example made of 'an-other', to keep the rest inline? If the impeachment process was one of open consideration and acknowledgment of complicity by all, then perhaps it could serve, but this is not the case. There is a lot more to this discussion, but I primarily want to support the discussion that resolves this all in the Heart...and from this can respond to the world situation with compassion and attention to peace...not vilifying and warring on 'others'.
www.youtube.com/watch
PeaceSalaamShalOmShanti....
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Tue, April 1, 2008 - 4:35 PMBe glad it wasn't "rumsfeld and you" as it was a few years ago... -
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Re: Can we change the Tribe name back please?
Tue, April 1, 2008 - 4:39 PM
yes change it back plz
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Wed, April 2, 2008 - 1:20 AMThanks MT, you got us! ~8D
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I thought this fit well
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 1:29 AMWhy think thus O men of piety
I have returned to sobriety
I am neither a Moslem nor a Hindu
I am not Christian, Zoroastrian, nor Jew
I am neither of the West nor the East
Not of the ocean, nor an earthly beast
I am neither a natural wonder
Nor from the stars yonder
Neither flesh of dust, nor wind inspire
Nor water in veins, nor made of fire
I am neither an earthly carpet, nor gems terrestrial
Nor am I confined to Creation, nor the Throne Celestial
Not of ancient promises, nor of future prophecy
Not of hellish anguish, nor of paradisic ecstasy
Neither the progeny of Adam, nor Eve
Nor of the world of heavenly make-believe
My place is the no-place
My image is without face
Neither of body nor the soul
I am of the Divine Whole.
I eliminated duality with joyous laughter
Saw the unity of here and the hereafter
Unity is what I sing, unity is what I speak
Unity is what I know, unity is what I seek
Intoxicated from the chalice of Love
I have lost both worlds below and above
Sole destiny that comes to me
Licentious mendicity
In my whole life, even if once
Forgot His name even per chance
For that hour spent, for such moment
I’d give my life, and thus repent
Beloved Master, Shams-e Tabrizi
In this world with Love I’m so drunk
The path of Love isn’t easy
I am shipwrecked and must be sunk.
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Re: I thought this fit well
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 3:38 PMAfter seeing the video above I was wondering of any other translationins/interpretations of this poem...Thank You! :)
Who's it by?
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Re: Can we change the Tribe name back please?
Tue, April 1, 2008 - 5:08 PMif it's an April fools then leave it for today but please change it back tomorrow! i went to this tribe just now 'cause i thought to myself, 'i didn't join any politically-based tribes! what's going on?'
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Tue, April 1, 2008 - 5:29 PMI think, "Impeach now" deserves an extra tribe. Why does it have to be Rumi? -
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Tue, April 1, 2008 - 5:58 PMpretty lame name change...completely different focus of the tribe. bummer...
might have to leave.
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Tue, April 1, 2008 - 7:13 PMIt made me laugh when I realized it was the Rummi tribe, and then I saw the reactions, I'm pretty sure its going to be changed back. -
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Tue, April 1, 2008 - 7:21 PMCan I have my refuge from mediocrity and anti-sensuality back, please??? Pretty please .....
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Tue, April 1, 2008 - 8:34 PMhaha! that was nice! it made me smile..
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Tue, April 1, 2008 - 10:43 PMI like that it doesn't specify who we are to impeach.......
it makes it a little more palatable to me.
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Tue, April 1, 2008 - 11:54 PMyep me too..... it kinda kills the romance....
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Re: Can we change the Tribe name back please?
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 12:00 AMChange title... before it's too late.
impeach kinda sounds like impish huh?
i don't like to mix politics with anything else as it is
so impure.
polyticks. shmollyticks.
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Re: Can we change the Tribe name back please?
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 12:15 AMwhoa. that was quick -
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Wed, April 2, 2008 - 4:55 AMPeace.
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Thu, April 3, 2008 - 12:54 AMWho is Pedro? -
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Thu, April 3, 2008 - 10:33 AMTranslated by Ó Shahriar Shahriari
Vancouver, Canada
March 25, 1998
by Rumi
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Thu, April 3, 2008 - 10:33 AM: ) -
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Re: Can we change the Tribe name back please?
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 11:02 AM??? Could you be a little more specific? How do I know who translated what when if I don't have the book?
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Thu, April 3, 2008 - 2:10 PMPedro was from the cult movie Napoleon Dynamite!
vote for Pedro!
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Thu, April 3, 2008 - 7:55 PMThanks Dylan!
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